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Post by Canadianfan on Oct 10, 2018 16:07:48 GMT -5
This is good hope it works out. Get Bell’s feet wet first.
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Post by chevyfan98 on Oct 10, 2018 16:08:01 GMT -5
Chad Knaus leaving the #48 at the end of the year and will take over as Byron's new CC. Holy crap. Holy Shit. It really isn't that surprising when you think about it though. It seems like there's been trouble in paradise between them for a while and with Jimmie not running as well something had to change, I also kind of think the sport has evolved enough now to where guys like Chad have been overtaken by your more engineering focused Cole Pearns of the world.
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Post by Canadianfan on Oct 10, 2018 16:08:45 GMT -5
It really isn't that surprising when you think about it though. It seems like there's been trouble in paradise between them for a while and with Jimmie not running as well something had to change, I also kind of think the sport has evolved enough now to where guys like Chad have been overtaken by your more engineering focused Cole Pearns of the world. That’s true the whole milk and cookies sit down a few years ago. Honestly I thought they were going to split up a few years ago they seem to be arguing a lot.
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Post by JollyMeanGiant on Oct 10, 2018 16:26:46 GMT -5
Chad Knaus leaving the #48 at the end of the year and will take over as Byron's new CC. Holy crap. JJ and Knaus...SPLITTING UP?!
The apocalypse is nigh my friends...
In a more serious note JJ's new crew chief for next year will be Elliott Sadler's current crew chief in Xfinity, Kevin Meendering.
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Post by Maverick18 on Oct 10, 2018 16:44:24 GMT -5
Well then...JJ will have a different sponsor and crew chief next year. I honestly never saw this coming. I’ll be interested in how he does
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Post by Suburban Shaman on Oct 10, 2018 16:53:28 GMT -5
Copying my post from discord on the JJ thing here:
A few years ago it would have been (earth shattering) But by now things have run their course and the magic they had has been overtaken by how much HMS has fallen. I don’t really think Jimmie will do much better or worse without him next year. No way I’d have said that before.
And considering the fact Lowe’s is leaving also makes it a bit less shocking.
The bigger question is how much will it benefit Byron? In HMS’s current state I can’t imagine it will make a HUGE difference, but we’ll see.
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Post by Suburban Shaman on Oct 10, 2018 17:01:23 GMT -5
I don’t think chemistry had anything to do with it though. Stewart Copeland & Sting never agreed on anything but still made the Police what it was. Jimmie does owe most of his success to Chad though.
I don’t really know how much touch Chad still has these days. So I really don’t know what to expect from him and the 24.
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Post by spen on Oct 10, 2018 17:24:41 GMT -5
I suspect Jimmie will meander a lot next season.
I don't think Chad's as suited to today's cars as he was to the COT, so I doubt it will help Byron much. Might put him in vague contention to point his way into the chase, if we have another year with few surprises.
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Post by jimmie48fan on Oct 10, 2018 17:32:22 GMT -5
Not sure what to think about this. Chad hasn't been as great as he has been in the past, but geez, I have no idea how this could turn out. Any announcement of the 48 crew chief?
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Post by Chad's Hair Plugs on Oct 10, 2018 17:43:45 GMT -5
Wow, the day I thought would never happen. I'm surprised that Chad is sticking on as a crew chief with another team rather than becoming the head of competition/overseer of all of HMS' cars.
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Post by JollyMeanGiant on Oct 10, 2018 17:57:37 GMT -5
Not sure what to think about this. Chad hasn't been as great as he has been in the past, but geez, I have no idea how this could turn out. Any announcement of the 48 crew chief? Kevin Meendering, currently Sadler's Xfinity crew chief
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Post by TS14Ever on Oct 10, 2018 18:22:18 GMT -5
Wow! Jimmie & Chad have always been a bickering couple on the verge of divorce. But never though I'd see the day Hendrick actually split them up. Especially moving Chad to another team rather than him taking a promotion within the team.
Be really interesting to see if Byron improves with Knaus since Knaus is no longer the one of the top five crew chiefs in the sport (it's almost a stretch to say he's even in the top ten of current top CC's). And if Jimmie can run better with a new crew chief past the peak of his prime and in the twilight of his career or runs much worse.
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Post by JSPorts on Oct 10, 2018 18:34:06 GMT -5
Jimmie's basically done. Can't see him ever winning again. Meendering is not a good crew chief. This could work well for Byron, though, depending on how well he & Knaus mesh.
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Post by sean on Oct 10, 2018 21:12:09 GMT -5
DiBenedetto's arrival means that Bell will probably be kept in-house. Which means that barring a massive increase in performance, Hamlin will likely be out in 2020. Unless Jones misses the chase, which would make him the odd man out. This probably also means that Suarez will be in the #41, ending Jamie Mac's hopes for a 2019 season. My guess is that Hamlin will still outperform Jones (I think people here are underrating Hamlin due to one bad season as they did Logano last year and overrating Jones due to one win when almost every other relevant car in the field had crashed) but will still get dumped because he is being paid substantially more than Jones is. Much like how Roush kept Ragan over McMurray, Gibbs dumped Kenseth for Jones, Hendrick dumped Kahne for Byron... Even though those were all downgrades, the younger drivers were underachieving vs. salary expectations less than the older drivers, so I would expect Hamlin to beat Jones but still be out. The Gen-X drivers grew up with NASCAR at big time, near peak popularity (although it was already starting to decline from the absolute popularity peak around 2002) so those that emerged in this period expected big salaries. As ratings, popularity, and incomes plummet, the teams will replace their very good but not great drivers for clearly worse drivers who are still underachieving less by salary expectations. So the 6th-12th place veteran drivers are probably more at risk in this environment than any young driver would be. I could see Kurt Busch and Clint Bowyer being the next drivers suddenly and unexpectedly out of the powerhouse teams very soon simply because in Ganassi's case somebody like John Hunter Nemechek or Ross Chastain might expect much less money, and Chastain especially might get similar results to a declining Kurt Busch... It's pretty rare however that you see a younger, probably cheaper driver make a significant improvement though it appears we've seen it twice with Montoya being replaced by Larson in NASCAR and Newgarden in IndyCar, although maybe at this point after Larson's ascent to stardom and Newgarden's title in his first Penske season, they're now making Montoya money. I doubt it though just because racing is declining everywhere...
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Post by sean on Oct 10, 2018 21:20:35 GMT -5
Jimmie does owe most of his success to Chad though. Chad Knaus owes most of his success to Jimmie Johnson also. And I mean you could trash Richard Petty by the same argument, so be careful. However, there is some point to what you are saying. Yes, he was the car chief on #24 previously and I think that was part of the secret to his success particularly. He was a setup guy when most of the other teams, following in the vein of Ray Evernham, seemed to be focusing on strategic crew chiefs more than setup masters, even if I think the setup masters (like Jimmy Fennig and Todd Parrott) were usually more successful in that era while most of the strategic crew chiefs since Evernham (including Matt Borland, but discounting Paul Wolfe I guess) have kind of been flashes in the pan. The Melling restrictor plate qualifying results in 2001 are interesting too, but who honestly cares about restrictor plate qualifying? Johnson's rather sudden decline (especially vis a vis Elliott suddenly dominating the team, and his contemporary Harvick still as dominant as ever) is making me think I might have been overrating him at fifth, but I still think his ten year period from 2004-2013 was the second best ever behind Earnhardt's 1986-95. He just didn't sustain it as well as I was honestly expecting, particularly as the field depth has PLUMMETED in the last five years.
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